Orac (David H. Gorski) blogged:
(although we do have C0nc0rdance)
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/three-myths-about-stanislaw-burzynski-and-the-skeptics
as if C0nc0rdance is a reliable source
1/24/2013 – C0nc0rdance posted a video on YouTube
The Burzynski Clinic
“Feel free to pass this on to anyone considering their options in alternative cancer treatments at the Burzynski Clinic
It’s also CCMA, so feel free to mirror or repost
AUTHOR’S NOTE:
I caught an error in post-production:
The Burzynski Clinic has only started 61 clinical trials, not 62
The last came up in my query because one of the authors has the same name
Otherwise the figures are correct”
“Fact 1:
The Burzynski Clinic has attempted 61 clinical trials, but only completed 1
Check it out here:”
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=Burzynski&Search=Search
“Fact 2:
The Burzynski Clinic charges
its patients to participate in a study of their patented medication that exposes them to risk”
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/05/05/harnessing-peoples-good-to-pay-for-woo
“Fact 3:
The Burzynski Clinic makes heavy use of marketing techniques not normally associated with clinical practices and not in the best spirit of research medicine
For example, you can see here that they are abusing libel laws to silence critics”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/nov/30/burzynski-clinic-cancer-libel-laws
“And threatening and bullying of a 17 year old blogger by a media consultant:”
http://rhysmorgan.co/burzynski-morally-reprehensible
1:10-I want to present the case of Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski in my home state of Texas
1:30-cancer researcher
Maybe you should consider sticking to cancer research
1:32_3 red flags
Hearing this raised a “red flag” that your claims might be suspect
1:57_3 undisputed facts
And this proved it
2:00-Fact 1 clinical trials
The “FACT” one should know is that clinicaltrials . gov does NOT contain the same data as the National Cancer Institute (NCI) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) cancer . gov web-site:
61 TOTAL
1 – Not Yet Recruiting (Open)(Phase 3)
1 – Closed
2 – Terminated (Withdrawn due to slow enrollment)
7 – Withdrawn (This study has been withdrawn prior to enrollment)
10 – Recruiting (Open)
11 – Open (1 Not Yet Recruiting / 10 Recruiting)
40 – Active, not recruiting (Closed)
http://cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/search/results?protocolsearchid=11475951
http://cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/search/results?protocolsearchid=11476036
On clinicaltrials . gov, if you select one of the “Unknowns,” it displays:
“Verified ____, ____ by National Cancer Institute (NCI)”
“Information provided by:
National Cancer Institute (NCI)”
“Further study details as provided by National Cancer Institute (NCI):”
Contact: Stanislaw R. Burzynski, MD, PhD
Investigators
Study Chair: Stanislaw R. Burzynski, MD, PhD
2:33-Every clinical trial has to register before starting
FALSE: I contacted the National Cancer Institute (NCI) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and was advised:
Not every cancer clinical trial taking place in the United States is listed on our NCI clinical trials database
The investigators must apply and follow guidelines to be included
4:08-Fact 2 – The Burzynski Clinic charges patients to receive clinical trial medications
FALSE: Burzynski does NOT charge for antineoplastons
By comparison:
St. Jude:
http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=403c6f9523e70110VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD
2/15/2012 – the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services has awarded St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital $4,314,800 for a childhood cancer survivor study
The new federal funds will be distributed by the National Cancer Institute (NCI)
http://cohen.house.gov/press-release/cohen-st-jude-receive-43-million-childhood-cancer-survivor-study
Tax-Exempt
Receives Federal Grants / Funds
http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=b7e79bb8a0cf5110VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD&cpsextcurrchannel=1
Donations to St. Jude are tax deductible as allowed by law
http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=6f8afa3186e70110VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD&vgnextchannel=2f62940504f9a210VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD
FORBES: CEO – $742,718
http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
Burzynski does NOT receive Federal Grants / Funds, is NOT Tax-Exempt, and you can NOT write off a contribution as a tax deduction on your Tax Return
6:32-Burzynski movie
doesn’t examine the issue from both sides
FACT: None of the oncologists who originally diagnosed each patient presented in this film would agree to go on-camera, or submit a written statement
1:44:44 – 1:44:52
(http://www.burzynskimovie.com)
6:41-Conspiracy
FACT: See these 2 links:
Click to access BurzynskiTriesToExposeNCI.pdf
http://stanislawrajmundburzynski.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page
Fact 3: it is referred to as “Beating a Dead Horse” when a point that is moot, is be labored by critics
This is a useless response. You address “fact 1” by pointing to a website which simply states that the status of most of the trials is unknown. That is a useless designation that does nothing to disprove the fact that of the 61 studies you have conducted, only 1 has ever reported results. Do you deny this fact? Do you have an explanation for it?
You try to deflect the question by linking to another website, reporting the same information (cancer.gov). But as it says on that very site:
The only advantage to going to the cancer.gov site you recommend over the clinicaltrials.gov site is that the former doesn’t list completed trials.
Then you say that not all studies have been registered. That doesn’t help your case. If you have concluded trials and not registered them, please show us where we can access their peer-reviewed results.
You justify your outrageously high costs (typically many tens of thousands of dollars) to participate in clinical trials by pointing out that some other research institutes receive money from federal and private grants, tax exemption, and private donations. Again, this does not help your case. Clearly, such a source of funding is far preferable to the way Burzynski trials are funded, by the participants. Additionally, your inability to get grants for an allegedly life-saving cancer cure is indicative of flawed methodology or just a lack of efficacy.
Furthermore, most drug trials are largely funded by the companies intended to sell the drugs. If you intend to profit off an approved drug, you should be willing to make an investment or get other investors for real science. But instead you are profiting off the trials themselves, which have been recruiting endlessly and never report results. It shouldn’t even be legal.
Your evidence of a scientific conspiracy against your work is not evidence at all. It consists of a letter written by Burzynski and a disorganized list of links showing various NCI agreements spanning more than three decades. Your definitions of “advanced cancer” were not in accordance with standard definitions, and when the NCI tried to correct this, you painted it as persecution. You obliquely reference tumors shrinking by more than 50%, but show no evidence that any performed better than control. And you make wild claims about what the NCI’s (accurate) report on your seven best cases is “calculated to make the reader think,” rather than respond to the actual facts it determined.
But what disgusts me the most is your response to Fact 3. You do not deny that your clinic attempted to bully numerous critics into silence by abusing libel laws. To my knowledge, you have never recognized or apologized for this reprehensible and repeat activity which is antithetical to the scientific method. You even attempted to silence C0nc0rdnace when he made this video, filing a DMCA complaint on illegitimate grounds (and potentially committing a felony in the process), removing his video, and quibbling over a single low-res image that qualifies as fair use. Will you make no attempt to justify or apologize for this behavior, or will you just sweep it under the rug?
Michael has replied to your comment on Burzynski, skepticism, false DMCAs and the Streisand effect – mirrored for C0nc0rdance
I made a nice reply to your “review”.
I’m sure it will be approved soon, right?
It sure will, because unlike Dr. Peter A. Lipson and / or his Censor(s), Dr. David A. Gorski, Adam Jacobs, Kier Liddle, _Josephine Jones, etc., I do NOT censor, because I actually believe in “Free Speech”
“This is a useless response”
REALLY ?
“You address “fact 1″ by pointing to a website which simply states that the status of most of the trials is unknown”
SERIOUSLY ?
My review of C0nc0rdance | Didymus Judas Thomas’ Hipocritical Oath Blog
https://stanislawrajmundburzynski.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/my-review-of-c0nc0rdance
Let’s review together, shall we?
(c0nc0rdance video)
2:00-Fact 1 clinical trials
The “FACT” one should know is that clinicaltrials . gov does NOT contain the same data as the National Cancer Institute (NCI) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) cancer . gov web-site:
61 TOTAL
1 – Not Yet Recruiting (Open)(Phase 3)
1 – Closed
2 – Terminated (Withdrawn due to slow enrollment)
7 – Withdrawn (This study has been withdrawn prior to enrollment)
10 – Recruiting (Open)
11 – Open (1 Not Yet Recruiting / 10 Recruiting)
40 – Active, not recruiting (Closed)
(I added this in “parenthesis”)
The below 1 st link: 10 Active (Open):
http://cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/search/results?protocolsearchid=11475951
(I added this in “parenthesis”)
The below 2nd link: 25 Closed-1st screen / 15 Closed-1 Completed-2nd screen:
http://cancer.gov/clinicaltrials/search/results?protocolsearchid=11476036
NONE of the above are “UNKNOWN” per the above 2 National Cancer Institute (NCI) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) links
10 – Recruiting (Open)
11 – Open (1 Not Yet Recruiting / 10 Recruiting)
40 – Active, not recruiting (Closed)
10=Open
11=1 Not Yet Recruiting / 10 Recruiting
40=Closed
61-TOTAL
“That is a useless designation that does nothing to disprove the fact that of the 61 studies you have conducted, only 1 has ever reported results”
“I” have NOT conducted ANY studies because “I” am NOT Burzynski; a fact you would known if you had “researched” it
Ever heard the saying:
“When you ASSume, you make an ASS out of you and me?
“Do you deny this fact?”
Yes, do you deny this fact?
“Do you have an explanation for it?”
An explanation for what?
The above information I provided previously is still correct:
The above 1 st link: 10 Active (Open):
The above 2nd link: 25 Closed-1st screen / 15 Closed-1 Completed-2nd screen
“You try to deflect the question by linking to another website, reporting the same information (cancer.gov). But as it says on that very site:”
“Information about this trial is from the ClinicalTrials.gov database.”
“The versions designated for health professionals and patients contain the same text.”
“Minor changes may be made to the ClinicalTrials.gov record to standardize the names of study sponsors, sites, and contacts.”
“Cancer.gov only lists sites that are recruiting patients for active trials, whereas ClinicalTrials.gov lists all sites for all trials.”
“The only advantage to going to the cancer.gov site you recommend over the clinicaltrials.gov site is that the former doesn’t list completed trials.”
WHATEVER !!
And you are a “researcher” ?
“Then you say that not all studies have been registered.”
SURE ?
FALSE: I contacted the National Cancer Institute (NCI) at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and was advised:
Not every cancer clinical trial taking place in the United States is listed on our NCI clinical trials database
“That doesn’t help your case.”
That does NOT hurt my case
” If you have concluded trials and not registered them, please show us where we can access their peer-reviewed results.”
Would you like to see what I have posted on my blog?
This link reflects:
11/25/1997 – Filing Date: FORM 10-SB
11/25/1997 – Company sponsoring 72 Phase II clinical trials conducted pursuant to INDs filed with FDA which are currently ongoing
And it lists the 72 clinical trials
Burzynski Clinical Trials (The SEC filings) | Didymus Judas Thomas’ Hipocritical Oath Blog
https://stanislawrajmundburzynski.wordpress.com/2013/04/11/burzynski-clinical-trials-2
“You justify your outrageously high costs (typically many tens of thousands of dollars) to participate in clinical trials by pointing out that some other research institutes receive money from federal and private grants, tax exemption, and private donations.”
Well, NO I do NOT, because I am NOT “You”
“Again, this does not help your case. Clearly, such a source of funding is far preferable to the way Burzynski trials are funded, by the participants.”
What evidence do you have that Burzynski has or has NOT attempted to:
“receive money from federal and private grants, tax exemption, and private donations.”?
“Additionally, your inability to get grants for an allegedly life-saving cancer cure is indicative of flawed methodology or just a lack of efficacy.”
NOPE, NOT “your”
What evidence do you have that Burzynski has or has NOT attempted:
“to get grants for an allegedly life-saving cancer cure”?
“Furthermore, most drug trials are largely funded by the companies intended to sell the drugs.”
And how big are those “companies” as far as net worth?
“If you intend to profit off an approved drug, you should be willing to make an investment or get other investors for real science.
What evidence do you have that Burzynski has or has NOT attempted
“to make an investment or get other investors for real science.?”
Have you read his Securities and Exchange Commission filings like I have?
“But instead you are profiting off the trials themselves, which have been recruiting endlessly and never report results. It shouldn’t even be legal.”
NO, “you” is NOT profiting
Have you read his Securities and Exchange Commission filings like I have?
Burzynski (The SEC filings) | Didymus Judas Thomas’ Hipocritical Oath Blog
https://stanislawrajmundburzynski.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/burzynski-the-sec-filings
“Your evidence of a scientific conspiracy against your work is not evidence at all.”
“It consists of a letter written by Burzynski and a disorganized list of links showing various NCI agreements spanning more than three decades.”
(c0nc0rdance video)
6:41-Conspiracy
POSITIVE ?
Let’s review the links I provided, shall we?
FACT: See these 2 links:
Click to access BurzynskiTriesToExposeNCI.pdf
http://stanislawrajmundburzynski.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page
10/2/1991
11/2/1993
3/1/1994
3/23/1994
4/19/1994
1/31/1995
4/3/1995
8/23/1995
9/19/1995
10/5/1995
10/25/1995
10/27/1995
10/2/1991-10/27/1995 is NOT
“spanning more than three decades.”
“Your definitions of “advanced cancer” were not in accordance with standard definitions, and when the NCI tried to correct this, you painted it as persecution.”
Nada, “Your”
You will need to do better than this with what Americans consider appropriate “citation(s),” “reference(s), and / or “link(s)”
“You obliquely reference tumors shrinking by more than 50%, but show no evidence that any performed better than control.”
Zip, NOT “You”
See above
“And you make wild claims about what the NCI’s (accurate) report on your seven best cases is “calculated to make the reader think,” rather than respond to the actual facts it determined.”
No, “you” did NOT “make wild claims,” since I am NOT “you”
See above
“But what disgusts me the most is your response to Fact 3.”
“You do not deny that your clinic attempted to bully numerous critics into silence by abusing libel laws.”
Nice try, but NOT “your clinic”
Take it up with the person responsible
“To my knowledge, you have never recognized or apologized for this reprehensible and repeat activity which is antithetical to the scientific method.”
And “I” will NOT, since I ain’t (that’s a “Texas” word) “you”
“You even attempted to silence C0nc0rdnace when he made this video, filing a DMCA complaint on illegitimate grounds (and potentially committing a felony in the process), removing his video, and quibbling over a single low-res image that qualifies as fair use.”
So, now I am Eric Merola ?
Try again, buckaroo
“Will you make no attempt to justify or apologize for this behavior, or will you just sweep it under the rug?”
Will you make no attempt to justify or apologize for this behavior, or will you just sweep it under the rug?
Michael has replied to your comment on The Burzynski Clinic
“It may not charge for the “antineoplastons”, but it charges for genetic “testing” that does absolutely nothing.
(c0nc0rdance video)
4:08-Fact 2 – The Burzynski Clinic charges patients to receive clinical trial medications
FALSE: Burzynski does NOT charge for antineoplastons
PROVE IT
“Do you dispute that people who want to participate in your trials must raise en”
http://m.youtube.com/#/inbox?feature=em-comment_reply_received&desktop_uri=%2Finbox%3Ffeature%3Dem-comment_reply_received
WOT ?
I refer you to the statement I made in my “review” in re me being “Burzynski” or “Merola:”
Fact 3: it is referred to as “Beating a Dead Horse” when a point that is moot, is be labored by critics
And yet the site itself claims the information is the same. The difference, as I stated, is that the NCI site only lists open trials.
You have not addressed my question. You say you dispute that only one study out of the 61 has reported results. You seem to agree that the 61 total is correct, so it seems you are claiming that more than one has reported results. In fact, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt here. Upon closer inspection, none of the 61 trials have been published; however, one was concluded. Many more are still active or have been withdrawn. This is a pitiful number.
Please do not repeat those same statistics again. Simply conducting a study and labeling it as perpetually “active” (but closed) is not a result. Please provide a source showing any published studies.
As far as I can tell, I have no way of knowing this. You don’t sign your name anywhere, blog under a pseudonym, and have a blank “About” page. Since the blog’s name is “stanislawrajmundburzynski,” I’m sure you will forgive my confusion.
I wouldn’t think this was a big deal, except you seem to use my incorrect pronoun as an excuse to disregard large portions of my text. I’m sorry I confused you with someone else, but that has no bearing on the truth of my arguments. And to be clear, I did not think you were Dr. Burzynski himself. When I referred to “you,” I mean “you” in the general sense of your company. If you are not affiliated, then again, that’s just a mistake.
Those are not results. Those are ongoing studies. I am asking for results of concluded studies. I don’t know why these are difficult to procure.
As I understand it, Dr. Burzynski has been performing trials for nearly forty years, and has never published results demonstrating the efficacy of his treatment in a peer-reviewed journal. If I am mistaken, please direct me to the publication. Please stop listing registration for studies as if that were a result.
I do not suggest that he has not applied for grants, and I am sure he has accepted donations. However, it appears he has not received grant money. As I said, being unable to procure grants is evidence of an ineffective or unproven treatment, not evidence of persecution. Furthermore, he cannot have tax-exempt status, because his clinics turn a profit.
Again, it feels like you are deliberately misreading me. I never suggested he had not made these attempts. I do not care what he has “tried” to do. The fact is he has not done so. As I have said, passing the cost on to his patients is not an acceptable alternative. It seems he has turned to both private and public sources and not received support for his unproven treatments, so instead he draws the support from the most vulnerable.
According to the ACS, “Antineoplastons are given by mouth, injection into a vein or muscle, and by other routes. The treatment usually lasts from 8 – 12 months. Treatment can cost from $7,000 to $9,500 per month or more . . . .”
Here is a reprint of parts of a page curiously removed from the internet, telling the story of one patient whose Burzynski trial drugs cost in excess of $4k a month each.
Either way, the point is moot. In order to enroll in these studies, you must receive your cancer treatment from the Burzynski Clinic, and that clinic charges around $7500 a month for chemotherapy for a typical patient.
I would like to note that you failed to respond in any substantive fashion to the claims that:
1. There are no peer-reviewed results of Dr. Burzynski’s many trials.
2. At least 61 trials have been registered.
3. The evidence you presented for a conspiracy against Dr. Burzynski’s work is nothing of the sort.
3a. Specifically that Dr. Burzynski used inappropriate definitions for “advanced cancer.”
4. Eric Merola has on a number of occasions abused libel and copyright law to suppress criticism online.
“The U.S. v. Article’~ court stated that the FDA’s responsibility was to protect the ultimate consumer, which included protection of “the ignorant, the unthinking and the credulous.”‘
Right now I am one of the “credulous”
Please let me know if you fit into one of the above categories
So, “Orac” requested that I comment on the video:
#6 – Didymus Judas Thomas – At the Tu-Quack Center IMAX 3-D Video Viewing Velodrome – January 28, 2013
…and then (ahem) “C0nc0rdance” commented:
#49 – c0nc0rdance – January 29, 2013
@Orac
“Many, many thanks for sharing my video.)…”
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/01/28/an-excellent-explanation-of-how-dubious-stanislaw-burzynskis-activities-are/
“And yet the site itself claims the information is the same.”
“The difference, as I stated, is that the NCI site only lists open trials.”
And this is why I am “credulous”
Would you like the opportunity to again read my previous reply to you and select the 2nd link I provided?
Because this type of situation sort of reminds me of “Orac,” Guy Chapman, Boris Ogon, Wikipedia, etc., in that they use this tactic of posting a lot, instead of dealing with one issue at a time
They should really learn to deal with one issue at a time instead of trying the “scattergun” approach, unless a consensus is made by all parties to “agree to disagree”
“…the NCI site only lists open trials.”
Did you select the 2nd link I provided and view the trials which were NOT open?
What is your point? I am quoting the website directly. If you think their words are in error, take it up with them.
They say they only list sites that are actively recruiting. The Burzynski Clinic is actively recruiting, so maybe they include all their trials, including the ones that have now closed. Or maybe they include all active trials (whether or not they are still recruiting), and just not those that have been concluded or withdrawn.
Either way, there is nothing to be gained by going to cancer.gov over clinicialtrials.gov.
And either way, this is a microscopic issue, irrelevant to the main point of your blog or C0nc0rdance’s video. Why do you keep distracting from the main points, like those I listed at the bottom of my post?
“The “vloggers” paranoid statement re “force me to give him my home address so that I can be the subject of legal harassment and intimidation by his lawyers and media thugs,” is hilarious”
https://stanislawrajmundburzynski.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/a-film-producer-a-cancer-doctor-and-their-critics
Now I am incredulous that there seems to be this “paranoia” of selecting a link I provided
I have followed all the links you have provided.
Are you going to address the questions, or just pretend they don’t exist?
Have you been paying attention to what’s going on here?
http://t.co/KnWNoDeWYT
No. The thread doesn’t even exist anymore.
Have you been paying attention to what’s going on here?
The live debate that wasn’t
http://www.reddit.com/tb/1dcja2
I will not even attempt to read your 6000+ word rant, which is so poorly formatted that I cannot even distinguish your words from words you are quoting.
I will however point out for the third time that just because a study is no longer actively recruiting does not mean it produced any results. You can close a trial and then open a new one at no cost. The Burzynski clinic has never published a single in vivo study supporting the effectiveness of antineoplastons to treat anything. You clearly do not have even a basic understanding of this process, and thus continue to repeat inane nonsense.
This conversation is over. I hope when you turn twelve years old, you will understand why I am so frustrated.
This is the response one would expect from one of “The Skeptics”
Your “pal” “Orac” frequently posts epistles of verbosity, and I take the time to read them
Yet you, a Skeptic, can NOT handle the same thing in return, and seem unable to grasp the concept of why “quotation” marks are put at the beginning and end of certain sentences and words
Once you’ve grown up and been around half a century, let me know